Request for metal demo!!

[next_in_line]

From what I've heard from the beta-testers demos, it seems that RS can handle pretty well rock and pop stuff, but no-one has done a metal demo, with powerchords, palm muting, generally agressive stuff...and I would really like to hear how RS is doing in that particular style. I am sure there are many people who would like to hear that too, so...are there any willing beta-testers out there?
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[Robb_b]

You´re right...the problem is just that I´ve never ever wrote a metal song and don´t know how it should sound like....Maybe you have a demo file and we can try to make something similar?

[CosmicD]

if i had the beta, i'd make a nine inch nails esque game metal thingy
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[next_in_line]

Unfortunately I don't have a demo file, but I can give you band names as a guide...Metallica, Pantera, Tool, Slipknot, Nine Inch Nails, Nevermore etc. These bands showcase some good examples of what I have in mind and most of their songs are typical metal songs, based mainly on palm muting and powerchords. You could pick a song from these bands and try to make something similar.
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[OldGeezer]

It is odd that heavy/metal/chugga sounds seem to be the only requests for specific styles being made, and there is not one example anywhere as of yet. Hopefuly they're working on such a video demo. I suspect that not having muted notes/chords in the same instrument preset as power chords will make it a pain in the neck to compose heavy rhythms in realtime without two instances and two keyboards. A couple of keyboard octaves should be reserved for muted notes/chord sections and the rest for the power chords...with maybe a few keyswitches to make the mutes alternate up/down strokes or all downstrokes and variations on the mutes (if you wanna get fancy in the midi editor), plus an easy switch to solo mode for doing fills. Prolly too late to change anything now.

[J van E]

You can switch from solo mode to any chords mode on the fly, but... powerchords is a Harmony feature... So that's no good. However, you can play powerchords in solo mode using a keyswitch. Only thing is that you won't have up and down strokes (afaik).

I posted a few demo's which were quite heavy imho (using mutes and bridgemutes and powerchords), but apparently not the right kind of heavy.

I think it would be best if someone could give a specific band and songtitle which has some good powerchords/mutes/chugga examples with (if possible) no other instruments (an intro or somthing like that) so we/I can clearly hear what you exactly want to hear. If you don't know the style , it's hard to imitate, specially when the guitars are drowning in drums and bass.

I'd be surprised if it won't be possible to do with RS.

[J van E]

Ooooooooooookay, this is going to take too long of course, and because I won't have time the rest of the evening, here is a small test. I listened to a Metallica song called Machine Head Battery (?) and at a certain moment a guitar began to play and I thought 'Well, that might be it'. It's not an exact copy but some sort of imitation of what I heard.

You will hear a short piece (guitars only!) repeated 3 times: first time is with Mute keyswitch, second time with Bridgemute and third time with Chuckafull. Now I have to say... I probably am doing something wrong with that Chuckafull, although I don't know what, because it sounds like absolute ****. Anyway, I dropped the low E to D (yes, you can do that), and ALL D-notes are muted as stated.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=459796&songID=5640876

Hope this gives a hint of what's possible. And if not I will try again tomorrow!

P.S. You can of course use various mutes to make some variations, but for the sake of this test I just used one mute for every part. Don't know it's done in real life too, so...

P.S. And o yes, I played Powerchords using a keyswitch ALL the time in Solo mode, so if you want to you can easily play non-powerchords riffs in between. I could have used the Harmony tab > Powerchord, but I think this one is more usefull because you can easily solo too. The solo mode also allows the sound/effect of the chords to be changed by setting other strum times and attack times: afaik those settings have no effect in Harmony mode.

[Robb_b]

This is also a quick test to show you how a metal track could sound...sorry if I cannot imitate the style exactly because I never ever tried to make a metal tune at all..this is the result of a 45 minutes experiment and 2 instances of real strat plus amp simulation made my processor bleed....

new link follows>>>>>>

[next_in_line]

Jan Van E, you nailed it man! That's exactly the kind of riffing I was hoping to hear (plus the song you covered is one my favorites from Metallica)! It sounds very realistic to me and I am happy to hear a good, full sound in mute and bridgemute. As for the Chuckafull, don't worry, you've done nothing wrong...it is just that this type of sound is used in slower passages. For faster tracks, like Battery, mutes are more suitable.
I can't wait now for that thing to be released Thanks man and if you have the time, please post the clean sound (without distortion) and/or more demos!
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[Robb_b]

Nice demo J van E.....sounds great!!! Did you also have problems with your CPU? Using drumset and two instances of Realstrat plus amps made 90 percent usage in FL-Studio.....though I have a pentium 3,3 GHZ and RAM with 1024 MB.....

[J van E]

[willy4360]

This is a very quick test I made out of a midi file I downloaded from the internet.

I didn't make any editing to the midi data, so no keyswitches at all are used.

The song is: In my darkest hour by megadeath.

http://willynanita.googlepages.com/InMyDarkestHour_Megadeath.mp3

Willy.



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[J van E]

[OldGeezer]

Thanks for the samples! Yeah it's true, "heavy" encompasses alot of different sounding guitar. All good examples of the possible sounds you can use (quite legitimately). I got a kick out of the Megadeth midi file, heh heh. Who'd a thunk?

Yeah J, the mutes in that metallica tune sounded like they might do the job.

Someone might have fun trying a bit of Rob Zombie's "Demon Speeding" (with maybe just a little more bass on the mutes). It's alot slower and simpler, but has a lovely crunchy chugga sound, just like mom used to play on christmas eve.

Hell, we might end up converting some of you into hard-rockin' headbangers! lol

Thanks again everyone.
I do believe I'll be buying Realstrat.

[Robb_b]

Updatet it today a little bit after hearing some real metal tunes, now it sounds more like it should

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=734823&songID=5640947