Machine Gunning

Vern C · Joined: 18 May 2015 Posts: 10

I've downloaded the RealEight trial and am very impressed, coming from the Orange Tree bass libraries and the Shreddage libraries (for Kontakt). The real time playability is great, I love the way the keyswitching is done and the guitar's tone, and of course low tuning, are a BIG plus for me. I was able to put together a whole guitar track in just about two days of off and on work. That's freakin' awesome compared to the workflow I have with the Shreddage libraries. I DEFINITELY want to buy this when I get paid next week.

However, there's one issue that I can't seem to avoid with RealEight: there's very noticeable machine gunning, particularly when doing fast bridge muted parts. I don't really notice it when doing sustains. I've turned the Alter setting to 5 and tried different velocities. But, the machine gunning is all too apparent. I haven't tried the play keys extensively but will when I get a chance. The machine gun effect is even noticeable on the demos on your website.

The Orange Tree Samples and Impact Soundworks libraries don't have this issue. Is there something I'm missing? Is there something else I should try?

This is somewhat of a deal breaker as I work with hard rock and metal, metalcore, djent, and such.

Sergey_MusicLab · Moderator Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Posts: 2781

Vern C,

The best results for Alter sample option you'll get with Pick Position set on '0' (the pick image in the center position between the pickups)

You can additionally use Pick Position Humanize option in Humanize panel (set max steps and 100% strength)

All that will give you up to 15 different samples for the same pitch

Regards,
Sergey
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Vern C · Joined: 18 May 2015 Posts: 10

I'll need some help with this. Here's a zip file containing the .mid, a .wav example and the RealEight settings file.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zhd96e5mgplv4z4/r8.zip?dl=0

The pick position humanization make it a little better, but you can still hear some really blatant machine gunning.

Vern C · Joined: 18 May 2015 Posts: 10

UPDATE: Okay, so I took the above track and added drums. The result actually sounds a lot better. On a project I was working on when I made this thread, I had everything in the R8 midi hard quantized. What I've been doing for all of my guitar VSTis for years is loosely quantizing my own midi performance (that I recorded using my controller). With drums added, the result is actually pretty good....with the guitar loosely quantized.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ue0smhjc3iv94k/drumstest.wav?dl=0

Sergey_MusicLab · Moderator Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Posts: 2781

Vern C,

The last version is very cool! Sounds convincing with drums.
/You may try to add some Attack Time or/and Stroke Time humanization as well/

Would be great if you make a demo song for us. Please email me to supportbox@musiclab.com

Regards,
Sergey
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Vern C · Joined: 18 May 2015 Posts: 10

I am indeed working on a song that I hope to send as a demo to you guys.

Here's a quick test I did using the bass portion of RealEight. I did some pre-equalizing to get the tone to where I wanted it and then sent it through my new Darkglass B7K. I then sent it to a bass cabinet in Kazrog's Recabinet 4.

In no way is it the final bass tone, though. I just wanted to run R8 through the B7K to see how it sounded.

https://copy.com/MjeIYOfLTBHPrxJg

Sergey_MusicLab · Moderator Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Posts: 2781

Vern C,

Thanks for sharing.
Bass part sounds great, would be interesting to listen to the whole mix
Waiting for the demo song from you!

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Sergey
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Vern C · Joined: 18 May 2015 Posts: 10

just sent the e-mail Smile

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