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Compyfox
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 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: Portamento with RS/RG2L?
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Back to that "so fake" issue. I guess my guitar solo play can be massively improved if I'd have a portamento glide feature to get those natural slides, and then on aftertouch or maybe pitch bend string pulling.
The thing is... setting up RS for String Pulls (pitchbend range 1) and vibrato (aftertouch or modwheel) is no problem. Then again, to pull it off that it sounds realistic enough. But I haven't seen a feature for portamento glides like I could do with synths.
Is there even a feature for that built in? And if so, where? |
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J van E
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:47 am Post subject:
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| You have legato slide: isn't that what you need? A portamento slide (without hearing seperate notes) isn't realistic on a guitar with frets. |
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Compyfox
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:03 am Post subject:
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You mean string pulling with the pitchbend or aftertouch, don't you?
Well the thing is... if you play solo notes, or arpeggios, it still sounds "digital", chopped to be precise. I'd love to have something that has this natural "damn I wasn't fast enough in terms of getting my finger of the string" and stuff like that, or that natural arpeggio play if I pressed a chord.
All that stuff that makes a Guitar come alive is IMO a bit missing in RS, or hard to pull off, even with keyswitches and modwheel, or unless you know how to play it since you developed it. (no pun though, it's kinda a fact)
The "instant wow effect" isn't there yet for me, and to be honest, in some of your tracks either. Guess this is why we need real guitarists after all. RS/RG2L sure makes our live simpler, but not session guitarists redundant. |
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J van E
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:42 am Post subject:
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Er.... no, I meant legato slide, where you can slide from one note to another and hear the finger pass every fret (over the complete range of a string if you want to).
As far as your other remarks: yes, RS will always be a substitute of the real thing and won't replace it. But the thing is a lot of us have nothing to 'replace' because we don't play guitar at all or suck at it or don't have the momey (or friends) to play the real guitar for us.  So RS is great for those unfortunate people and it's also great for people who do have the possibility to invite real guitar players, but simple need to get quick demo on 'tape'.
Apart from that: I think musicians and of course specially guitarplayers may feel RS isn't that good, but for the 'normal' people RS is just as good as any guitar. I do have that 'instant wow effect' everytime I use RS, because to me it sounds great or good enough, even though I also miss some options (bends at the times I want it, slide off at note end) and even though I sometimes do things that aren't really possible with a real guitar, but as I said before, to me RS openend up a whole new world of possibilities (I can finally make the music I want). And I know the guitars won't convince everyone, but they do convince most people (and I have to say even musicians/guitar players...): as far as I am concerned I only care about the overal feel and endresult, in that regard RS does it job very well (providing you do have a good ampsim to go along with it).
Still, if I had the choice, I'd choose a real guitar, I can't deny that. |
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Compyfox
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:01 am Post subject:
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| J van E wrote: | | Er.... no, I meant legato slide, where you can slide from one note to another and hear the finger pass every fret (over the complete range of a string if you want to). |
Okay, but that only works if you played a note, not in "non playing mode" (meaning the normal fret noises).
I however really need something that works like "whoops, I moved my finger there, and then there and play the next note" - the small nuances that're important. Like I said, at the moment, it's choppy.
| J van E wrote: | | As far as your other remarks: yes, RS will always be a substitute of the real thing and won't replace it. But the thing is a lot of us have nothing to 'replace' because we don't play guitar at all or suck at it or don't have the momey (or friends) to play the real guitar for us. |
Same here. But I really heard demos from LPC (from one of my customers I engineer for) and that thing sounds darn real, even in solo mode. But it doesn't have the modulation and keyswitch features RealStrat has. Then I ask myself what I did wrong or if I'm just too dumb to handle RS.
| J van E wrote: | | Apart from that: I think musicians and of course specially guitarplayers may feel RS isn't that good, but for the 'normal' people RS is just as good as any guitar. |
Problem is, I showed it to "real people", and especially if I look at rock productions (2 guitars, 1 bass, drums), then you hear every nouance that's running wrong, etc. OUt of 10 listenes, I could only fool 1, and only with powerchords.
| J van E wrote: | | as far as I am concerned I only care about the overal feel and endresult, in that regard RS does it job very well (providing you do have a good ampsim to go along with it). |
Ampsim or not, it only sounds as good as the source material you put into it. Meaning, if the nounces aren't there, then it's sounding fake, even after the amp simulation. And this is my problem though. Maybe it's the same as with RG - it's first incarnation was great. But it really shined later with RG2. |
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